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Good afternoon everyone. So nice to be with you. Um we have been talking for weeks and months about our conference at Melvin’s Farm to Fork and I just want to give you a little bit of an update or a rundown of how that went. We just came back from this event exhausting, thoroughly, thoroughly blessed. I just can’t even begin to say how wonderful it was. We left with tearful hugs and joy. Um, we had many presenters, of course, including myself. I opened, but my favorite, oh gosh, there were so many good talks. Uh I think my favorite presenter or presentation rather was um Kim Ferman. This talk is available on our YouTube channel. We did stream it live. You can find it on our Facebook page as well. She connects the spiritual with the physical well-being. And man, did she ever have us just in awe. It was it was such a good talk. along with Megan’s sanctuary, she talked about um the comparison between breast milk and infant formula. And man, I learned so much. I knew infant formula was a very bad thing to be giving your your babies, but I had no idea just how how actually destructive it can be. Um Dr. Patty gave us a couple of talks on hormones and and other things. That was very good. Stephen Hussy on Saturday with his circadian rhythm. So important, so eyeopening. And uh Gail Montgomery, Miranda Whitehead, Cat Owens. Gail who owns the farm along with her husband Thaad gave a really excellent practical talk about just how to get started and what’s the most important. So, we had a the a balance of practical and um and in just good in-depth information. It just was awesome. All the while we were enjoying a beautiful springtime on a beautiful seventh generation family farm. I say seventh generation, it is seven generations of family dairy farmers in the Montgomery family. and Thaad gave a message on Sunday morning that had us wiping away tears. It was so thoughtful and heartfelt, but it was just wonderful to be surrounded by nature, by the beauty of the farm. And one of our favorite parts, I don’t have a slide of this, but we had we have a children’s program. One of our daughters, Abby, and our friend Carrie, managed that. It was absolutely delightful to watch the children all day long each day just playing and singing and laughing. No tears, no meltdowns. They just played together and did activities together and had a wonderful time. It was so cool to be able to watch children be so happy and healthy and vibrant, not like most of the children that you see on a playground. It was just wonderful. And we had very good food supplied by um a lot of the materials came from Melvin’s farm to Fork and the Montgomery farm and their suppliers. Josh and Frank um managed all of the food. This is a shakurerie board that we had for our uh VIP dinner on Saturday night. Just phenomenally good. So that’s it. That’s just a basic rundown. You can definitely watch the the slides or the presentations on Facebook or YouTube and uh we’ll be able to offer the recordings very soon. Unfortunately, our uh focal recording didn’t work on a couple of talks, but most of them most of them will be available. So, we can look for that. We’ll put that up uh when we have it ready. So today I have the pleasure of interviewing for the second time. This time actually hitting the record button instead of Oops, I didn’t. So this time we are actually recording. I’m verifying. It says record. It was so frustrating. We had such an excellent conversation a few weeks ago and then it went live and it didn’t record that. It didn’t record our interview. recorded a private conversation. So, if any of you were disappointed and left wondering what was going on, I didn’t hit the right button. So, my apologies. But today, we’re going to make up for that and have another excellent conversation. Hopefully, we won’t miss too many points with my friend Pam. Hello, Pam. It’s so good to see you again. So, good to be here. I don’t mind. This is fun doing it twice. Do it twice. I know. I know. But I was so frustrated because we went over so many really good things. So hopefully we won’t forget and miss anything today. Hopefully. Hopefully. Yeah. But I I looked those slides from what you heard what you said about your conference and I think it sounds like something I’ll have to do next year. That sounds amazing. We there was not a dry eye in the house by the time we were all it was all said and done. People came seeking. They needed this information. People who are sick, moms and dads of young families who are trying to figure out how to grow healthy and vibrant children that resist disease and and you know can live life to the fullest. We always have someone who really really needs it. And this year it was this man who’s he’s our age, Will, who’s going through some really difficult things. And he asked he asked so many questions and just hung on every word and was blessed and every person not not that people will complain directly to you, but I don’t think there was a complaint to be had anyway. We just over and over heard, “Thank you. Thank you. This was such a blessing. Thank you. This was so good. Thank you.” And uh you know, when it’s done out of when it’s done out of love, I mean, you that’s what comes through your love for everyone and got passing on the way God has intended us to live. Yeah. As difficult as it is in this current system of things, it’s very difficult to be physically I mean we spiritually we have to work it out too but physically to to live in harmony with the way God designed our bodies and designed nature, his perfect design. Yeah, it’s probably not 100% possible. I want to let people know that first. Yeah. Yeah, you know that it’s a bit of um there’s there’s a lot of unfortunate threats to our health and safety. And so what Moren and I try to do is we try to help people minimize those threats and bring in the good things that are healing, but not to tell people you have to be perfect. You have to do this exactly right because it’s a challenge for even well people with time and money and you know no children at home to do to eat the way I believe God intended us to eat. Yeah. It’s it’s not it’s not always possible to do all the time. And that’s one thing in my practice. I I try to have people give themsel grace and say, “Look, you know, some days you’re going to have to eat from the cafeteria, right? And you’re going to and that’s going to happen and you’re going to and you’re going to buy things at the grocery store because sometimes you don’t have time to make things from scratch.” And that’s going to happen a lot more for working parents. But we can be pretty wellnourished and pretty healthy. We’ll never No one will ever be perfectly healthy. At least not right now. Yeah. Well, even in our family, we’re still working with George to rebound again from from his pretty much I want to say largely self-induced, maybe totally self-induced health problems. And he’s coming back again. Um, it’s it is difficult. I do try to teach things that make it very much easier than people realize it can be. Mhm. I have a lot of tricks that I wish I would have figured out 20 years ago and some that I did figure out 20 years ago, just as I’m sure you have some things that you do as well. But to make it much easier and Sally always says, Sally Fallon Morell always has said, well, if you do 8020, 8020, you should be good. I actually think though that in my years of involvement with Weston A. Price Foundation and this whole health and wellness thing. I think uh I’m watching us get sicker and sicker and so maybe 8020 it might be okay for people who are not suffering much with severe health challenges but maybe we need to go more towards 9010 in many cases. Um yeah there’d be things that I would do differently if I was diagnosed with cancer for example. You know it’s that kind of thing that I’m thinking about. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean we’re all at risk for all these diseases and unfortunately at this stage in of creation our bodies are not perfect. So no, you know, we’re very far removed from perfection, right? we are going to have physical and unfortunately sometimes also mental um health problems and um you know it’s really sad though because what I think is happening to the young people is really tough to see all the mental health problems and in my in my role as a dietician working with women that are couples mostly it’s the the the mom that comes in the mom to be that comes in but helping them have optimally physically healthy children because your brain is as much, you know, a physical part of your body as any other organ in your body. And to have the right nutrients there and not to have the toxins, you know, while the ba body is developing, while the baby’s developing is really important for them to have a chance at really good mental health. you know, we see so much now about the challenges with mental health with children, but we’re we’re talking about therapies. They’re talking about, you know, taking away the social media and I agree with all that. But I think sometimes there’s a physical problems that from mal from unrecognized under and malnutrition that are not being addressed. I’m pretty sure of that. I know that. and perhaps toxicities to things that that we are eating that are actually damaging to our brain and to our gut that creates the chemicals that make our brain function right and also when we don’t have the right nutrients and you know my nutrient that I’ve focused on so much in my professional writing and in actually in my practice is vitamin A and it is probably the most underappreciated underconumed nutrient Because everyone assumes when I say everyone all the medical and science professionals assumes that in a in a country like ours in a developed nation this is not a problem that we have. We don’t have vitamin A deficiency. We don’t you know and largely we don’t have the same level of vitamin A deficiency as um developing nations do but we do have un insufficiency I believe. And um I’ve seen it too many times where it actually could have could be the only nutrient that I really have to pay attention when my um patients are trying to conceive and it actually will cause them now to be able to get pregnant. Wow. It’s not usually the only one, but I’ve had a few cases where really I’m like I think it’s just a vitamin A deficiency because most of the prenatal vitamins don’t really have vitamin A in them. Yeah. And you know, if you have the genetics, as I do, I only know this because I had my genes tested, which I’m not recommending that people do, but I had all the symptoms of vitamin A deficiency when I was in my 40, early 40s, late 30s, because it doesn’t come on all of a sudden. It takes some time sometimes. Um, what are some of those symptoms before you go on besides infertility? Well, that’s interesting because I had the um you know, you you’ll see this. A lot of people have those little bumps on the back of their arms and it seems almost normal. Um so many people have it. It’s it seems normal, but I had that. I didn’t have a terrible case of it, but it was, you know, chronic. Yeah. I remember seeing an opthalmologist because I had my eyes were so dry. Oh, yes. and they were they put me on restasis and then I’m like this stuff is expensive like I don’t want to and I’m like I don’t want to do this. It’s um it’s a steroid basically or something like that and so I’m like I I didn’t take it but I remember I had dry eyes right. Yeah. Um and the other thing is I vividly remember after my first child was born she was like a month old. I went to my parents house and they had a swimming pool and I remember getting into the pool and I was literally blinded by the reflection of the light off the water. I could not Yes. open my eyes. Light sensitivity. Yes. And it was I don’t have that anymore. I haven’t Everyone has it to some extent, especially if you have blue eyes, right? But I literally was like I can’t even I can’t even open my eyes. And um the other thing that that and that’s you know after a woman delivers a baby she’s very vulnerable to vitamin A deficiency because I probably didn’t have enough vitamin A in my pregnancy but I had enough you know I mean it was enough to get through right it wasn’t probably as much as I should have because I was trained at a university and in the 1970s and I graduated in 81 with my bachelor’s. The whole movement, you know, in nutrition was to get the cholesterol and saturated fat out of the diet. And you know, those foods were just thought, you know, you would be, if you’re a nutrition major and you thought those foods were healthy, you were really really stupid. That was the thought, right? And I used to eat I used to eat liver growing up, right? Until I got to be probably about 12. And then I started eating all sorts of junk food because I started feeding myself and you know more like more in control of my own diet. Um and I actually liked liver but I you know my father stopped cooking it and I just but so I actually suffered with irregular periods for most of my life. And the only reason I think that I was able to get pregnant is because now I know this isn’t what people will eat, but I ate total cereal a lot because I believed in the vitamins and stuff in it, you know, and I didn’t take a vitamin pill at that time at all, but I thought, you know, you know, the nutrition thing. And it used to have a fair amount of vitamin A in it. Now, I know everyone’s going to say it’s not the natural form of vitamin A, but if you look at the literature, vitamin A is a pretty simple. There’s only a couple forms of vitamin A. And yes, there can be different ones in different foods, I suppose. But when they do animal studies with vitamin A, they use these these um chemical synthetic forms and they they work fine. Now, do they work as well? I I don’t know. I’m not going to say that. But but and I’m not advocating people that people choose fortified cereal for their source of vitamin A anymore. Um anyway, the cereals don’t have anywhere near as much vitamin A as they used to. Yeah. because everybody actually recommend breakfast cereals anyway, right? And I’m not I’m not I’m not saying that either, but people would say, “Well, how did you how did you have three children if you were vitamin A deficient?” But I I think there was enough of that in my diet. And of course, in in the olden days, and you know, mine 40, my youngest, my oldest is 40 years old, right? Mine as well. They had prenatal vitamins that had a fair amount of vitamin A in them. That’s the way they were. That’s interesting. Yeah. And so come it came around 1995 when a study was published by um his name is Rothman and there’s others on a study and that was out of what school was that um but it was in the New England Jour Journal of Medicine. and I forgot what institution they were from, but anyway, it really basically fingered vitamin A as something you don’t want to have when you’re pregnant because it increased the rate of birth defects. Only only a very small amount. And even that, you don’t want to have you don’t want even have real vitamin A. You only want to have beta carotene as your source of vitamin A because that’s the only kind in your body that you can’t go wrong with supposedly because your body only turns beta carotene into vitamin A as you need it. So you can’t really overd dose on it. But that’s actually not really true. But anyway, that’s another story. But so that paper came out in the New England Journal of Medicine 1995. And after that things began to change. And a lot of that was because um there were reports, you know, they had animal studies, you know, they’re giving these animals really a lot of a lot of vitamin A, right? Because they they want to bring on these these mal formations, fetal malf formations. Yeah. Prove clear. They don’t want to just be but um a lot of it also because of the AC use of Accutane. It was known that’s a synthetic form of vitamin A, but that’s a really high dose and it’s an active form. It’s not the kind that’s in, you know, even in a vitamin and it goes right into your bloodstream. It goes, it’s just very, very high dose vitamin A. We and it, you know, we know that you’re not supposed to get pregnant when you’re taking that, but there were there were cases, you know, you’re supposed to be on some sort of birth control as a woman. So, anyway, I think it was kind of from that and then most of the prenatal vitamins I think began to just use beta carotene instead of retinol, right? Fully formed. Yes. And betaarine is a precursor. And there are genetic differences on how well you convert that beta carotene into retinol which is the physiologically essential form the retinol. I haven’t been one of those people and I found that out. I wanted to find out because of the fact that I had all the symptoms and still till I was around 40 when I adopted the West and A Price type diet, the nourishing traditions, Sally’s book, and the knowledge that I gained from that. And so, yeah, it was almost like and I also had fatigue and just getting sick more often, just a lot of things. Um, and oh, I forgot to say irregular periods all my life. And that’s that fertility connection. So, I think you told me and others have said as well that fertility, infertility issues tend to go away when you’re introducing vitamin A. I’m sorry. And just nutrients as a whole into the diet and moving away from I’m sorry, I might sneeze. I might sneeze. I’ve got a sneeze coming on. Anyway, yes, it’s it’s vitamin A is probably one of the most important nutrients for the development of a baby, but it’s also important for a woman to menstruate. Well, ovulate, ovulate so she doesn’t have a regular period. I had irregular periods all my life. All my life. And then I started using cod liver oil and eating liver. And then they turned to 28 days like clockwork. Wow. Wow. It could not have been coincidence. And then the things like the bumps on my arms went away. My eyes were no longer dry. Yeah. So, I was suffering with borderline vitamin A deficiency for a long time. Um, because I had stopped eating total cereal. I was I was more of a plant-based eater at that point and I was looking at different ways to incorporate more soy protein and other types of alternative plant proteins into my diet for a while. Yep. And that’s where I found this western a price information because in those days that was what 25 27 years ago you all researching this stuff there wasn’t the the myriad of of websites and information. It was one of the first websites that came up when I was re searching using soy and I remember the article was something bad about about bad about soybean bad for you. I’m like that can’t be true. What is this? You know it’s so good. It’s this perfect food. I know. And it was the only one or but you know me I have to like experiment like experiment I have to investigate. Yeah. See what is this contrary contrarian point of view because you know I’m like somebody’s making this up right and then I’m reading it. I think the article was written by Sally and Mary Enig and I’m going wow does this make sense? And I’m like oh I’m totally on the wrong track here. Yeah, I felt the same way. As a matter of fact, one of our sons, our second son, uh, fourth fourth child, um, when I was expecting him, I was doing a lot of soy. And afterwards, I learned about how soy can damage your gut. Well, I was consuming it heavily in uterero um, all the way through pregnancy. And then after he was born, I was drinking soy shakes and drinking soy milk. Now, we did also have our own cows, so we had cow’s milk, too. But we were doing a lot of soy protein. And uh he was born with gut damage, like pretty severe. And it took me before the internet, it took me several years to figure it out. Wow. So, it can be damaging in many ways. We don’t want to be doing that. I also have a friend who is having fertility problems and he was a vegan. She was not, but she was borderline. And he talked to me about, you know, we’re having problems. We want to have a baby, but it’s just not happening. And and I asked him about his diet, and he said, well, he eats a lot of soy, not a lot of animal foods at all. In fact, I think none at the time. And I talked to him about the problems with soy. And he went back home. He got rid of the soy. He started eating pastured eggs and drinking milk and eating meats and things and within just about two months they conceived. That’s amazing. Yeah, I know. I see those stories, too. But but a lot of times a vegan I I I you know, I often have women contact me and they say they want to stay on this the vegan diet. I’m like, well, I’m sorry, but I won’t be able to give you that type of information. I mean, and I almost feel like seven second thoughts about saying that because I always think about if they do get pregnant, what’s the child’s health going to be like? Yeah. But there’s almost there are people that and as a dietitian, I’m not even supposed to do that. I’m supposed to respect their ethical total personal choices. And I’m like, you know, if it’s just if it’s just the mom and she wants to do that, not that I think that’s great or anything or the father. Well, it’s not. But I don’t want the child to be a victim. Yeah. Of misinformation that they might have. But you know, sometimes there’s nothing you can do. There’s nothing you can do. Well, I do like that Weston A Price Foundation has the dangers of vegan and vegetarian diets brochure. I hand out quite a lot of those and people find that helpful. But also, if you’re just Go ahead in a professional position. Yeah. tells me they want to be vegan, you’re I’m not supposed I might say, “Well, you know, these are the nutrients you’d be missing.” And, you know, I mean, there’s some I can convince if especially if they’re just vegetarian. Yeah. But I’ve had to turn away vegan women. I said, “Well, I can’t take that approach because that’s not I don’t believe that’s the healthiest choice for your child.” Yeah. And you can say that and leave it at that. Yeah. I mean, and but I’ve said that on Facebook posts for the dieticians and you you can’t even imagine what happens. You get slammed, you know, that’s not you’re that’s not ethical. You can’t do that. I’m like, but it’s ethical. Wow. It is definitely ethical. We need to be able to be honest. And I understand your position. It is a tough one. Where is it ethical to tell people not to eat meat? Somehow that’s okay. You know what I mean? Yeah, we could do that, right? Yeah, we could do that. I could say you should really cut back on red meat. Maybe, you know, don’t eat it if they had high cholesterol. I could say that. I could say don’t eat um you know, full fat dairy. I could say that. So, it’s unfortunate because I try what I do in my practice, I try to say, look, it’s you know, it’s not always easy to eat the foods that are really good for you. But, you know, the more you do it, I find personally for myself, it’s it’s almost as if it you can’t even eat some of the foods that people eat anymore, you know, I don’t know about you, but there’s foods that I see people order when I’m out to eat with other people. I’m like, they’re adults doing to themselves, right? Oh, I know. and and they have their children in tow and then ch then they have their children in tow and they’re eating the same kind of stuff and well you know those are children’s foods that are designed for children they’re so healthy I mean the children’s menu is the worst thing in the world in most cases and why are we doing that to our children why are we doing that when their bodies are growing and developing I I you know I don’t know it’s it’s it’s a cultural thing here because parents don’t want to make their children feel is they have to be different than other other children in many cases, you know, not not your listeners. Yes. And you know, but right, it’s there’s a thing that’s almost like let the child be a child. In fact, this is really I don’t think I talked about this last time, but I actually um I had a person contact me through one of the Westn Price my West a Price contact. He got in touch with me because he and his wife were were um seeking a divorce and his wife and he was feeding the child, she’s four years old, a Wesson A Price diet and he she would the mother was making the argument that that was not the appropriate diet for the child and that he was harming her because she couldn’t he wasn’t feeding her the the foods that kids normally get to eat. that I I had to testify virtually remotely on that, you know, I had to be sworn in and everything and because he he sent me um records on what she ate and I had to defend it. It wasn’t that hard to defend, but I had to be careful because I couldn’t I had to be very neutral because the last thing I could do would really be to say, well, those other foods aren’t good. I could just say these this diet is a normal diet for healthy growing child adding providing adequate protein calories. Child’s not asking for food between meals. She gets some ice cream for dessert. But but that’s that was a very unusual circumstance that I where a mother actually felt that that kind of healthful food was actually going to cause her daughter at four years old. [Music] Oh, I’m sorry. Are we there? I’m sorry. We lost both of us for a moment. Yeah. Yeah. Come back. But but but um he was very appreciative afterwards. They he sent me some flowers to thank me. He said he felt felt that I represented and and was going to be helpful to his case. Um do you know how the case turned out? Go ahead, Morin. Sorry. Do you know how the case turned out? if it worked in in his child’s state, you know, he sent me flowers like a week later and the attorney said, “I did an excellent job.” You know, my practice is with most of my patients, I don’t follow up with them. I mean, he’s not really a patient because to me that’s their privacy, you know. I do sometimes send out um group emails or group messages through my portal and ask you know if you anybody wants to do a review and so and a lot of women will say oh by the way I had a baby but somebody I lose touch with but I feel like if they don’t want to tell me that’s their privacy right you you don’t want to oh yes absolutely yeah people but that’s frustrating to me sometimes because I don’t always know the outcomes And the way I view myself is like a I you I I think in a sense I’m like you. Although I don’t think I’m really like you because you work so much harder than I do. Oh no. I don’t know. Yes, you do. I just work differently, Pam. Well, no, you work harder. But anyway, I used to work really hard. I’m just having more fun in my old age. But um and you enjoy what you do, so I’m not trying to say you don’t have fun, but but um I really want to be a local resource for the people that live in in this area. Um because that is something that I feel I didn’t have when I was raising my children, somebody to guide me. And I I I there’s a lot of information on the internet and a lot of it’s good and a lot of it’s not good. And certainly the western a price information is great, but to be able to talk to somebody face to face that’s listening to your ch specific challenges on feeding your children or your own self as you’re trying to, you know, start a family. I feel like that’s really really important in this day and age to have, you know, I’m a grandmother, you’re a grandmother, to have that maternal experience and wisdom, if you will. I mean, some sometimes I have some wisdom, but to be able to listen to the young women and the the young couples and hear what they’re going through and help them make changes that are going to help their families thrive. Yeah. Well, and one of the things that I tell people that goes along with what we’re what we’re talking about pertaining to fertility and just growing healthy children is I tell young parents or parents that want to be um that a growing baby is not a vegan. So, you may be a vegan, but that child inside of you or the child nursing at your breast is not a vegan. And so if you’re not putting into your body the resources to grow a healthy baby, that baby is going to take from mom. Yes. And if mom has enough to take from Yeah. Yeah. Because I think that’s one of the reasons we see and I this is I see a lot of this is secondary infertility. Wow. The mom is depleted. I the fathers are obviously they’re not anywhere near the the risk of depletion, but a lot of times the fathers aren’t as conscientious about what they eat as the mothers are. That’s what I’ve definitely seen. Yeah, that’s true, too. This morning, one of our chapter leaders shared with all of us a paper or a an article. It came out of Australia, but then it was corroborated by other sources from other countries. But the point of the paper was to say that parents should not be so focused and consumed with the nutrient nutrient aspect of growing children that it just wasn’t as important in other as other things. Yeah. So, well, we’re not, you know, we’re not put in a hierarchy or of importance because everything is different. You can’t compare the physical needs of a child to the spiritual needs to the educational needs. Oh yes. You’re not you you can’t say one is more important, but you know that if you take one away, the child will not thrive to the child will suffer. She could And so yeah, I’m know you hear that a lot like like oh as long as they’re eating as you know and you’re you’re loving them that’s not the way that’s not the way reality and it’s not the way traditional societies handled it. No, not at all. Dr. Price’s photos show that and they’re striking. I’m giving a talk in June in Ohio um about actually it’s more about dental um and I’m of course giving it obviously on behalf of Weston a Price but what he saw just looking into the mouths was was reflected in the bodies of the people that he looked at around the world. Sure. And then the degradation that occurs within a few short years once those people abandoned their traditional nutrient-dense diets was that was astounding. Yes. And tragic and tragic for them. Absolutely tragic. So much suffering. But it’s a tragedy today and there’s widespread suffering. And then as I mentioned about watching the children play at our event this weekend, you go out in public and we see children having major meltdowns, fighting, snapping oring, whining or Yeah. or in front of a screen. Or in front of the screen. And that’s how they get pacified. That is appalling. Actually, at at the Western A Price Conference in Orlando, there was a child there. He was probably about six years old and a little porky and the mother just kept the screen in front of him. And I know I’m not the only one who had to resist just going and saying, “Please, no, don’t do that.” But we can’t do that. Yeah. And and she would he’d probably have a meltdown and she would have not been able to participate, you know. So I I get it. I get it. My granddaughter quite often we just we just play music on my phone and she’ll sometimes say I want to hear this song and I’ll be like we can’t do that right now or she wants to draw on my phone because I have a you know notepad she can draw on it but you you have to say no as easy as it is to say yes and hard sometimes to say no and listen I’m not a mother full-time right now so I’m not going to say that I know what that feels like having a granddaughter a couple days a week is not the same as having a child home all the time and my son did way too many computer games when he was a teenager and um and that did affect but it was difficult because my husband wasn’t around but anyway I mean he was working a lot but I just I just think they getting earlier and earlier and their children are not able to watch they’re they’re missing out on so much that’s going on around them I think you know and we and we’re and I’m guilty of it too if I get bored I’ll start reading something you know and I should be just don’t, you know, this isn’t really that boring. No, right? You know, um me, I just want to read books and and Oh, yeah. I love books, too. I love books, too. I actually prefer books, but um when I have my phone and I’ve got my Kindle books, I can just Anyway, then we’re getting off the subject, but I I think the physical body still is really really important to nurture. Yeah. I mean, every cell in your body is made out of the food and beverages you consume and of course the oxygen and whatever else is in the air. But yeah, you know, every single cell in your body is made from the food you eat. How could it not be important? Well, and I don’t think that most people really consider why we’re designed to eat. And that is a question. And it sounds really stupid when I ask it, but it is a question that I often ask to prompt people to think, why do we eat? Why do you eat? Why are we designed to eat? It’s not and and that’s assuming that the person has a belief in God. Well, I’m talking to people who just don’t even have a clue, but also people who do believe in God. Why do you eat? And then when when you’re talking to to believers, it’s why did God design us to eat? It’s not just so that we can gather around a table and fellowship and enjoy one another’s company and enjoy good food. That is definitely part of it. And I’m thankful that that’s built into it. But we also don’t eat just because we’re hungry. We’re hungry because the body’s designed to signal that we need nutrients, right? So there’s that. But we’re designed to eat because as you were saying, whatever we put into our bodies will build the body or or not and help us replace the cells that are, you know, being turned over all the time. But so it’s super important when a woman is pregnant. Obvious it’s even it’s important before they’re pregnant, but if you think about the the actual, you know, um the number of cells that are being created and the organs and the tissues and you know tissues and organs, every single thing comes from the food you’re eating. And yes, how could we not think there’d be some negative outcomes if we’re not putting the ingredients into our body that match our design? Right. Absolutely. Very well put. Yeah. Yeah. You can’t, you know, you can’t make something good out of something that isn’t supposed to be there in the first place. With that said, a healthy body is exposed to things that it needs to eliminate quite often. And that’s been through since the inception of the human race, since Adam and Eve. Well, not really Adam and Eve when they were probably not then. Not that. No, but after. Yeah. And and even building fire, you know, to warm ourselves. There’s pollutants in that. There’s, you know, but we have the ability to remove those from our body, which is much better when we’re young and it deteriorates as we get older. Better when we’re younger. Yes. And so that’s why a lot of children do better even though they’re not eating as well because their bodies are still better able to many of them not all of them because we have this autism, you know, rates that are crazy and and I I think there’s a lot of environmental although I read an article Medscape the other day. Medscape is like this huge thing to educate physicians and other healthcare providers and and the whole article was that the rise in autism is due to genetics. Oh, really? I’ve begun to hear that. And actually, I had kind of a little informative debate with someone just last week who’s going to school to work with autistic children, and she’s high functioning autistic herself. She said, “It’s genetics.” If it’s genetics, then why did we not see it 50 years ago? Oh, well, they were all in asylums. No, they weren’t. People were put into asylums for various reasons and that was a travesty. Well, why aren’t we seeing it in the adult population, the 50, 60, 70 year old people now? Yeah, it’s it’s not there. Yeah. However, we do have dementia. My mother, even though she didn’t do a lot of other things, she did take the flu shot and I Why? I don’t know. And yeah, we have really high rates of dementia. You’re right. Yeah. Yeah. And she died with dementia. She was demented for a number of years and my father had to take care of her, loved loved her and wanted to take care of her but until he died not of the pancreatic cancer which we eliminated in four months without the doctor’s help. Oh, that’s amazing. Yeah, I there’s we have a on our blog I wrote about that the lessons learned from my father’s illness and death. Um, no, he died from the his other doctors not taking seriously what I kept saying. And that’s that’s there. We don’t need to talk about that right now. But, um, we just didn’t see all of this stuff when we were kids. And I don’t know about you, but I grew up in a very close-knit community actually in two I didn’t I didn’t have that experience, but Go ahead. Yeah. No, I didn’t have that experience. No, we I didn’t know a single person who was autistic. There was one kid in my class who had epilepsy, and I do wonder. I have my suspicions, but I don’t know. But we did not have autism, and we didn’t have people. I I remember one person developed cancer when I was young. [Music] Um, we had a classmate with scoliosis and I know how her family ate. So it makes sense. Um but so we were beginning to see some issues but nothing major. But come by this late 70s and to mid 80s and you’re starting to see a lot of issues that that did not exist before or were not um prevalent by any means. Yeah. And we certainly I can think of maybe one young lady that was um overweight when I was in elementary school and we had you know we were in a fairly we were in a suburban area so there was opportunities to see a lot of children. You just didn’t see it. Um no I didn’t either. I remember one family that all of the kids were fat. Yeah. And and you could say that was probably a lot largely that could have been a big and and there is a genetic component to obesity. There’s for sure and there’s a genetic component to autism depending it puts you at higher risk. Yes. But as they say the you know the environment pulls the trigger the genes load the gun. That’s a good way of putting it. Yeah. Yeah. And so you know Chris Master John wrote a really interesting um blog. It’s not really a blog but it’s in it’s I guess it’s Yeah, it’s probably a blog. It’s on um Substack about um the causes of autism. And if anybody’s interested in looking at some of those genetic predispositions, he really goes through it to you know, Chris does everything to the you know, oh my goodness, more than 100%. You have to be able to really pay attention and think. Yeah, there’s a lot of details in there. And I was I sent it on to my son who is who’s having a child in August and I have a feeling the child will be vaccinated because his you know, is I shouldn’t talk about this, but his uh the in-laws are very medically oriented and um and I’m not against uh vaccinations if that’s what a family wants, but the the schedule nowadays it’s intense. It is. Wow. I wouldn’t do that myself. I wouldn’t do that to myself. How could you do that to a child? Yeah. It’s outrageous what they’re doing to little tiny babies. Yeah. Well, and why it even starts in the first few days of life. I know. Almost no child has to worry about hepatitis B because they’re not having sex. Unless the mother could have transmitted, but then it was already too late. I I just like Yeah, they are just they’ve got these parents that are seeing the pediatrician for the well visits and they’re in a captive audience. Yep. Exactly. And of course, we we both I’m sure know parents and have heard many stories of parents who have fought the system and it’s very difficult. But but I fought the system. The system was not happy. But, uh, our oldest Aaron, who’s my partner in God’s Good Table, has actually she just had a bio-ressonance screening done, uh, this weekend and it showed that she had toxicity from vaccinations. When she was a child, she and her younger brother Taylor, our two oldest, had just a few, just a few. And then as I started to learn and experience more and friends friends that I grew up with were having children with autism and other brain damage from from that. I started to delve into before the internet books reading everything I could. Yeah. Um and so we stopped but she actually shows toxicity and she has the MTHR gene mutation. She is very sensitive, very sensitive to histamines, has a hard time breaking them down. Um, and we think that that’s because of the early childhood vaccines that she did have, but that is a topic that we need to delve into at a later date. Um, I don’t even know why I mentioned it, but I I No, it’s fine. But, uh, it’s something that’s so controversial right now. Yeah. especially with people now the measles now being more common. Um and you know I shared with you and and your listeners could look this up but the um the CDC actually has on their website if a child does come down with even if adult comes down with measles and they’re hospitalized or under the care of a healthcare provider there are protocols to administer higher dose vitamin A to the patient and it’s actually an accepted medical protocol. So we that will help treat measles. Now, I’m not going to say you should go out and do this yourself because I can’t say that and I but I do believe this that just make sure you’re not vitamin A insufficient. Yeah. Make sure you either liver, cod liver oil or get some sort of source of retinol. There may be not a need for that if your genetics aren’t European generally it’s European genetics. Um but it’s certainly the better way to nourish your body with vitamin A is to get the real vitamin A from an animal source. It can only be from an animal. And then you’ll get some in egg yolks. You’ll get some in the butter fat and the cream. Yeah. Will you get enough? It’s hard to say because some people just need more, others, everybody’s different. And um everyone’s different. I know. And I know it changed my life. And now I use more of the liver capsules rather than I do take oil. I used to eat liver a lot. Um I don’t do it as much now because my husband doesn’t really like it and it’s just me. But um I I I know that vitamin A insufficiency is much more rampant than anybody at the CDC has any clue. They do not know this. And they and they resist they resist. Well, you know what they do? They test the blood. And that last time I think the blood was actually tested in in the population because they do these, you know, studies. It’s called NHANES was I think it was at least 20 years ago. and they but you can’t detect vitamin A deficiency in a blood test unless somebody’s like at the bottom you know really really deficient and isn’t it more important to look at symptoms like we started out talking about yeah it definitely is and and you know because of these symptoms are getting so common I mean how many commercials do you see for dry eye how many creams are out there for bumpy skin I know someone who we love very much right now who is taking drops for her dry eyes. And she was put on a very low-fat diet because she had a heart attack. And I I won’t go further than that. We love her dearly. And there’s really nothing you can do because there’s nothing we can do because it’s she’s also losing. Well, you also you also have to be really careful. I have a friend that just had a quadruple bypass after a heart attack and he had talked to me a few years back about his nutrition and he had a relatively rotunded abdomen and I suspected he had fatty liver and I but you know his cholesterol had to be managed so they were not going to have him he could not eat egg yolks. Now, if you’re not eating egg yolks and you’re not eating liver and there’s a few other pretty good sources, you’re probably not getting enough choline in your diet and the best nutrient to help res resolve and that’s another genetic thing I’ve got actually got I’ve got the need for more choline than most people. Ah, so you know it’s really interesting if you know some of these but but you should still eat the foods. It you know they’re all nourishing. They’re all great foods. They’re all God created foods. or not. But and that’s that’s the biggest point to me that is the overarching theme in everything that we’re talking about and that I talk about and that you know Wesn Price is it it’s just that actually. Yeah. Well, that’s what it is. It’s and it’s not, you know, getting pregnant is not it’s a natural process that our body does just like anything else. And and it can be interfered with. It can be interfered with. And if we take the assumption that we should try to override that process and go to IVF before we address the natural functioning of the human body, whether it’s the male or the female, we’re doing a disservice to not only ourselves, but it’s to the child because yes, you don’t, and I keep coming back to this because this is my specialty, right? You really don’t want to get pregnant unless your body’s as ready as it can be. Yeah. And that’s different for everybody because we all are exposed to different things. And listen, people got pregnant in the Holocaust. I do realize that, but in most cases, it was probably happening early on. Malnutrition is going to stop you from getting your period regularly. And I’m not talking about starvation. Malnutrition. That was starvation. That was cruel torture. But I’m talking about these nutrients are needed for the functioning of our body and every single nutrient is really important. And if you are have struggling with conceiving or you know someone is meet with somebody who knows the western price philosophy because that they’re going to be able to look at that person and understand the nutrients that are maybe they’re not getting in their diet and help them figure out how to get those nutrients. And the most important thing because this is what I do with I work with insurance but I can only work within state with you know North Carolina with insurance but okay let’s do this in a way that the parents of tomorrow can because I want that’s what I want. I want the children and the parents to like this can be a normal way of life and it’s not going to be super stressful and I’m not going to be like weird and my child’s not going to be punished because they can’t eat eat these, you know, uh chicken nuggets all the time, right? you know, um, you can, well, you can make your own chicken nuggets. Well, you can, but I meant the ones that, you know, the ones that most people aren’t going to do that. Oh, yeah. I know. I used to do that all the time. It’s funny. My, and I don’t know if your listeners are interested, but I when I first learned the Weston Price Foundation principles, I was like gung-ho. Everything everything. And my son who was a very sort of selective eater, although now he’s a very good cook and he likes to use really healthy foods, but he used to complain and I remember one time his friend came over and I made I made quesadillas with the chicken that was from a, you know, stewed chicken and I used the grass-fed cheese and I used sprouted wheat tortillas and I used all this stuff and and I used the soaked beans and the whole thing and I served him and his friend and he was like, “Son’s going like this.” And then the kid goes, “Wow, this is really good, Mrs. Show.” I love when that happens. We used to have kids come to our table and they’d go, “What’s that?” We had one who came over a lot and at first he didn’t he just didn’t want to eat because it didn’t look like what he was used to eating. Right. Right. Yeah. But I told him, you know, we’ve got I probably made ice cream or something and we had our own cow, so it would have been really good stuff. But um uh anyway, I always dangled a carrot when I was training my kids or somebody else’s who was at my table a lot. Um you know, you eat this. I don’t give them a whole lot. I give them some. It’s, you know, some of a few simple things. And then when you’ve eaten that, we’re going to have this ice cream. Yeah. Or maybe I made whatever green cookies, whatever it was. But I always made sure there was something and one kid in particular. I think it was the first time he sat at our table. He started out eating that. Oh no. So we went through it very cheerfully. Mhm. He took a bite. Then he took another bite, gobbled it up. M, this is good. And then he told his mom that Mrs. Diaz was the best cook. And of course, I smiled. It was very flattering. But I said, “That’s not to say that you’re not the best cook, but you can do some of these things.” And and I shared with her. Oh, she wanted to Oh, that’s really good. She was not offended, thankfully. She told me about that and she wanted to know some of the things that I did. and she always talked to me often about things he would say. Whereas on the other hand, we had another child at the table really often whose mother actually brought me hot dogs and chips or something and said, “Please just keep these in, you know, in your fridge and in and in your pantry so that when when this child comes over, he’ll eat something.” Eat that. And did you serve those to him? No. And did he eat your other food? He did. See, sometimes parents don’t give their kids enough opportunity because they Yeah. You know, and honestly, sometimes you do. Well, I shouldn’t say sometimes. You do have to work harder. Yes. But we train our children. We choose whether we train them intentionally or by default. And I chose to train my children to eat intentionally. And so they are all fantastic eaters even now. And they’re all We have Well, you’re a fantastic cook. So, well, I have not always been a fantastic cook. And there are better cooks than me. I love Okay. Well, Moren, there’s a difference between being better cooks and cooks that can feed a family of how many? 11. 11. And now I don’t know how many we have. We’re actually expecting our 10th grandchild now and run a farm. So you did it in a Oh, so what we don’t want to do is put our standards so high because really we are just blessed to have this food and we can make simple meals that are nourishing and tastes good. It doesn’t have to be some sort of gourmet recipe with multitudes of ingredients. Um, I mean, I just baked chicken legs sometimes and I just like those. I mean, you know, you you have the whole chicken, so you’re very fortunate. I don’t have my own chickens. I still buy whole chickens. I don’t uh I’m not raising them anymore. We don’t have room and we are not allowed to do that where we live. But I do raise chickens for eggs. However, I do exactly exactly as you’re just saying right now. And I keep it simple and I share I don’t always I usually don’t have a recipe. I just do things. But when people really like something, I’ll share a recipe. I’ll, you know, figure it out and share. Or if you’re cooking for a few hundred people. Yeah. Because you make do you make those desserts at the conferences because they’re usually my recipes, but of course I’m not doing that’s not my role anymore, but it is your recipe. Okay. Because they are some are other people’s too. Some preceded me. And now Yolanda, of course, is creating some recipes as well. Yeah. Uh, but a lot of them are mine, including the chicken liver pate, which I could eat for dessert. Yes. Well, you all the foods at those conferences are amazing. I’m just, you know, but also think about the quality of the ingredients that we get. So great. And that’s what I was going to say. You start with quality ingredients, the best that you can afford. But the cool thing to me is that the most nutritious foods taste the best. So, you don’t have to have a bunch of expensive ingredients to throw in there or expensive spices. I do enjoy playing around. I recently ordered a 5B bag of cumin. Uh because I use a lot of ground cumin and instead I got garam masala. They sent me the wrong thing. Do you like I do, but I don’t like five pounds worth. Oh, that is a lot of spice. So, I’m seeking people to share that with. Uh, but my point is, yeah, you just you have a few ingredients that are good, a few good spices. And I do on top of a lot of stuff is is great. I mean, always cheese, cheese, and butter. Don’t have enough butter. More cream. Butter. butter. But butter on the vegetables for the children. Yep. And they’ll gobble them up in most cases. And a little salt and salt. You know, we we don’t want to We don’t want to turn our children into Spartan eaters, right? Just Yeah. I’ll eat I’ll eat plain vegetables myself, but usually it’s because I’ve got a nice piece of meat with fat on it and, you know, stroke it through. Yeah. I mean, you don’t you know, you don’t always need to put fat on everything, by the way. And even though you could, but you know, I’m always looking like, do I need it, you know? Well, isn’t it good to have broccoli, steamed broccoli with lots of butter and some salt? I like a lemon and salt, though. But if I’m eating something else fatty, like a lamb chop or something. Yeah, I kind of Because the thing is butter’s gotten pretty expensive. So, but I eat a lot of cheese. I eat a tremendous amount of cheese. Cheese is one of my main stays and I would recommend that egg for people. Very easy. Oh, yeah. Eggs, hard-boiled, scrambled, omelette, poached, and then throw some more egg on top of that with Hollands. And for those who have children that don’t like eggs, see if you can sneak egg yolks into everything that they eat. Yeah. If you’re making tacos, put the egg yolks in the meat and see and put it in things. I used to make um egg like custard for my son because he said he didn’t like eggs and that was his thing have him eat with but I’d only use the egg yolks and so I add the egg yolks to panakotta and ice cream custard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we get more nutrition and they aren’t actually they don’t know they’re eating eggs and they’re only eating the most nutritious part of it. But or make or make a French toast with just the egg yolks and milk because that’s one of the nutrients that is one of the most nutrient-dense foods that you can feed your children. Yeah. And and if you’re an adult and don’t care for eggs, you can find ways to sneak those eggs. And I always tell women when they’re pregnant or trying to get pregnant, let’s see if we can eat at least four egg yolks a day. And you probably want to eat more, but not a lot of people are going to do that. I, you know, yeah, I love devil eggs. Anyway, anyway, I’m kind of going off on tangents, but those are just practical ideas and I know you have a tremendous number more, but I think when people realize that you average people that aren’t I mean, I I really used to be whole hog into this. No, no pun intended, right? Or maybe pun intended, I don’t know, but um people you can make really positive changes without doing 100% overhaul of your diet. Yeah. And your children can accept these foods. If you throw out the idea that you shouldn’t put any salt or butter on things. Yeah. If you And I’m not saying you should use all the salt in the world, but just realize that most of these processed foods, they get their flavor from fat and salt, unless they’re And it should be whole salt, not refined. Right. Exactly. So, yeah. So, we all think of those things as being bad, right? because oh processed foods are loaded with fat and salt but humans enjoy fat and salt so why don’t we just use healthy fat and healthy salt and make the meal enjoyable and healthy. So what would be say your three top foods that parents should be consuming for healthy fertility and healthy children and feeding their children. Okay. So the number one food that’s most accessible I would say would be eggs. Yeah. Because that’s something that most people will accept. Mhm. The second one would be full fat dairy. And the third one would be an organ meat. But if you can get it, you can get the liver put into the ground beef. Even Whole Foods is starting to sell that. Again, it’s a little more expensive. You know, it used to be less expensive, right? Yeah, because they threw it out or gave it to the food companies or something. Nobody wanted it, but now liver is one of the hottest things out there. It’s incredible. Um, and I guess RFK Jr. helps to that extent, too. I think he talks about it. But yeah, those would be the three things. Um, because those are going to bring in so many nutrients that you may not be getting enough of in your diet. And we’re talking about also vitamin A, vitamin K2, the MK4 version especially. We’re talking about the fats in butter and and dairy fat and cheese. It’s called And there’s some really instrumental fats for the way our bodies work. There’s a new there’s new research on this carbon 15 um fatty acid. Yeah, that’s really interesting. And it’s a saturated fat. Now, of course, there’s a supplement that they’re selling and it’s that’s got some good evidence behind it. The thing is, of course, they always say, well, you know, to get it, people say you only need a tablespoon of butter to get the same amount in one of the capsules, good butter. But the thing is, people are afraid to eat that much butter. And so, they market it, well, you don’t want that much saturated fat, so you want our supplement, but then you’re not getting the butyrate in the butter, the vitamin A in the butter, and there’s probably other things, the vitamin K2. We we don’t know all the things that are in these foods. And I always tell people, think about this. The reason I say about the egg is what is an egg? It is. It’s a fertility package. It’s it’s something you know before it’s going to be born. Yeah. And the same building blocks of it’s got this little package of nutrients for a living thing. And the and the dairy is really the same thing. It’s what an animal can thrive on, a very young animal thrives on. And then the the organ meats are just it’s just one of these traditional foods that um Weston A Price and and others realized through their research that that was really really important. They they all these traditional cultures made a point to give the young couples the organs over the other people because they knew they were going to be starting families. So you don’t have to eat liver all the time. If you ate it once a week, good grass-fed liver, you don’t need more than that really. Yeah. Now, if you’re It can be in a supplement form in a capsule or and you can take it in a capsule or you could also take cod liver oil. Those are three different ways to do it. Yeah. We always talk about and recommend the fermented cod liver oil. Yeah. Well, actually, when we’re done, I’m going to go drink a glass of raw milk and pop some um cod liver oil butter capsules from And if you can get raw dairy, that’s great. Raw milk is great, but you can always generally get raw cheese. Raw cheese is accessible. Raw milk. Sometimes, even if you can’t get raw cheese from a farm in your area, you can go to a store and look for cheeses that come from Europe and read the label because many of them are raw. Depends. They’ll say unpasteurized milk, right? Um, and also some of the farms, including Sally’s farms, will ship their cheese. So, it may not be the time of year to start shipping cheese in some places, but um I mean cheese really is kind of a living thing. You can leave it at room temperature. I hate to say that because I do it all the time, but um you know, if you’re getting a big block of cheese, it will change if it gets exposed to 80 90 degree temperatures. There’s it’s a living thing. And then, you know, they age it at like 55 or something. I I don’t remember. I made cheese once days. Yeah. Yeah. And and and that’s the way it’s like wine. it it fermentss. It develops all the complex flavors during that process. Um, and also also increases some of those vitamins that we’re talking about, the vitamin E, those nutrients that are so good. Yeah. Um, can you before we close also suggest three foods to avoid? Number one, commercially fried foods. Anything cooked in industrial seed oils. Absolutely. Those are terrible for you. And they’re worse that they’re deep fried. And so many things are deep fried people don’t even realize it. So many things they’ll say, “Oh, I get it. I get it um frozen.” I said, “Oh, it’s deep fried at the factory.” And then you stick it in your oven. It wouldn’t be crispy unless they did that. Now, you can do your own sort of special frying and your own fats, your lard, your tallow, and you can even, you know, that that’s fine. And even that isn’t 100% great for you. But, you know, I eat it. I’m not going to tell people, listen, if I had cancer, I wouldn’t eat it. Anything cooked at a high temperature is not that good for you, but it’s not going to harm you if you’re generally healthy person. Another thing not to eat, um, you know, foods that have a lot of sugar in them usually are very low nutritive value. And the problem with that, yeah, you know, you can eat some, and I’m not I’m not a purist. I eat I eat some sugar. I mean, I put some in my coffee. Not much. I don’t I shouldn’t even tell you I drink coffee, but it’s No, it’s okay. I drink coffee, everybody. I love I enjoy coffee. I love the taste of it. I love it. Yes, me too. And I put a nice nice half and half in it. You probably put real cream which I wish I could get. But um right now I have heavy raw cream. Yeah. But the sugar often these foods have zero nutrients in them. I mean other than carbohydrates and fat. Yeah. So they will displace the displacing foods of modern commerce and they will prevent somebody from getting all the nutrients they need because really very hard unless you’re eating perfectly. If you’re eating less than 2,000 calories a day for a woman, it’s very hard to get every single nutrient you need in the right amount. So you got to be careful with that. And then um you know I would just really be careful with the un soaked unfermented beans and grains and things like that because those are zinc blockers and they block some other minerals from being absorbed. Zinc is a really important nutrient for fertility and a lot of people are lower in zinc than you’d think. I’ I get I some of my clients do get tests and they zinc levels are low. that’s largely because they have not been eating the nutrient-dense foods and the body and if they’ve been on birth control pills or anything and if they’ve been sick you get depleted in zinc and if you know so those are the those are the things that I would definitely avoid and the other thing that I might add as a fourth choice if you can afford it’s so expensive now but you know shellfish oh yes clams headed up to Maine in in another month and I’m looking forward to fresh lobster and scallops and flounders Yeah, all that all seafood. And you know, it’s funny. I mean, and also people need the seafood for the omega-3s, but and you get that also from good dairy and good eggs. You may not need it if you if you get really good dairy and eggs because there’s omega-3s in there and the meats and the meats to some. So anyway, that’s what and those are the biggest changes that I recommend. Get rid of those fried foods. Substitute the animal fats for the fats you’re you’re missing. Um, make sure you’re eating those foods that are really designed for growing growing things, which are the egg yolks and the the dairy, the full fat dairy, and then add the organ meats. And if you can do the shellfish, too. Yeah. Wonderful. Very good. Thank you. You’re welcome. Now, now see me anymore. You got the recipe. It’s real easy. No, people still need to see me. Do you do to see you, not me? Do you do any virtual consulting at all? I do, but the thing is it’s got to be somebody that already understands the Western Price philosophy because I will support them in that change because the thing is I don’t want people to say what what is this wacko talking about, you know, because that could But you’re not so wacko anymore. Thankfully, it is it is getting to be known. We’re talking about it more and more. It’s really amazing especially now that RFK is in the we are really understanding that we did a huge disservice to this country the world with the dietary guidelines and with all these substitute foods. Yeah, absolutely. We should we we literally I have a chart that literally flips the food pyramid upside down and it’s appropriate for what we should be how we should be eating. I know. I know. And and just getting the right foods though. It’s not just the proportions because the government is still I just plug my phone in just because I getting a little low. But um the government will I think they’re eventually going to change the dietary guidelines. Yeah. But I hope so. They’re in a stalemate right now because I think it’s a big process to change. It was really easy to keep the status quo for the past 40 years. Yeah. But changing and is a big disruption not only to what the health care professionals believe because you know it’s one thing to tell the public and now you go to a doctor and what are you doing? you know, they’re going to say that. And then the other thing is the food manufacturers, the big food manufacturers, unfortunately, and I say this because I know some people very close to me that are employed by them. It’s the economy of the and the and the the farm economy. We can’t throw that all those people out of work right off the bat. But you as an individual can make choices and you can educate your friends and your family and this is the way it’s going to be done. It’s going to be done at the grassroots. It’s not it it can’t it’s not going to easily come down from the top. No. But those are great words and a great thought to end on because and you know I’m challenging our audience to vote with your dollars and just do the very best you can. You’re right, Pam. We It takes us It’s gonna take individuals. It’s not going to be a a government or you’re gonna we’re gonna force the government to change. We’re going to force the corporations to change. Obviously, we’re not buying corporate food, but there’s a lot of people in this country that are affected by these these foods. And we want this to be something that people look at us and go, “Why are you so healthy?” You know, people, you know, I I know you want to end, but I play a tremendous amount of tennis and my husband does, too. And we are the fastest people on the court. So that’s really neat. People recognize that. I hope. Well, sorry. What do people recognize that? Oh, people think yesterday I was stretching my leg because I would remember I told you I had that. Yeah. I was watching a match, but I went over just in our community and I was walked over there and I was stretching my leg and then then one of this guy goes, “The youngster here.” Now, listen. I’m 67 and I’m one of the younger people, but at 67, I mean, I pulled the muscle because I was playing singles with this guy that’s crazy. He’s a great player. But we don’t have Thank God. I mean, anything could happen. We don’t want to brag. It’s not bragging, but you put those nutrients in your body that helps your cells recover and repair. Yeah. You’re going to get a better outcome. Yeah. Far better. And it and it’s not it’s not a punishment to eat these, you know, say no to some of these foods because you will you will reap benefits way beyond the momentary pleasure of that food. Yes, you will. You will reap these and you will be like, listen, we’re all going to die at this in this current, you know, system of things. But we don’t have to degenerate the way that people are degenerating nowadays. we can live into our 80s with a high quality of life in many cases and contributing to the welfare of the younger people which is a responsibility we do have. I agree and actually Jeffrey Morurell is an example of that. He died at 99 and he was still working on the farm. Yeah. in his 90s and he was encouraging people have goals, make lists, um you know, work hard and yep, he’s driving around in his golf cart and he’s watching the cows and checking the fences or whatever until he died and uh yeah, I mean at the very towards the very end he was old but 99 is was a very good age to be able to do all those things. Um, yeah. And you won’t be able to. You will realize much. And you can, you can make those changes at any time. Don’t say you’re too old. Okay. Don’t say it. You know, you’re never too young and you’re never too old to make those changes. Yeah. But the time to start, if at all possible, is now. Exactly. And don’t feel you have to do everything right off the bat. Start with a few things that you can do. Start by getting those pastured eggs. Start by getting some good cheese. Start by taking some of the chips out of your house and saying, “I’m gonna eat bread, toasted bread, good bread with butter on it.” Yeah. Sourdough bread, sprouted oatmeal with lots of butter and cream. Um, get rid of the sodas and the seed oils. Just get rid of right now. Right now. And that’s the number one thing I generally tell people. Get rid of those. Yeah. Most me people are using olive oil more and more. But the thing is they’re buying foods that are cooked in seed oils and they don’t even realize it. Crackers and things like that, chips. Yeah. And so we can learn to make our own and I do try to teach people that. Um there are others out there who are doing the same. So it’s not impossible. It is doable. Just keep things simple. And and you can buy breads, sourdough breads, and you can make croutons with them and you can toast them and put all sorts of flavors on them. Listen, I love a good I love a good potato chip and I will buy some. And I actually love French fries, but I’m always like I don’t know if it’s worth it. I don’t know if it’s worth it. It’s not necessarily worth it. I’d rather eat something that’s that’s going to satisfy. And the only reason we have this luxury is because we have food manufacturers that produce food on the cheap. If you actually had to make all this food and buy vats of oil and you have to throw them the oil away and by the way I think they probably feed it to cattle which is horrible. Um it’s expensive. Yeah. Traditional cultures did not deep fried foods. That’s not a cheap that’s not a cost-effective way to cook. So, you know, we went to dinner on Friday. Um, Friday night, our conference was Friday, Saturday, and then we have worship on Sunday morning, which is wonderful. But on Friday night, we went out with a friend and he’d he was in charge of finding the restaurant and he found a restaurant that had great reviews. We stood outside the door for about 40 minutes waiting for a table. We finally were in there seated. Almost everything was fried. It’s so common nowadays. Yeah. I mean, and and his plate, he he told this is what he does. I’ve eaten out with him a couple of times. He’ll tell the waitress, “Don’t tell me what it is, but whatever you would have if you could have anything that you’re here, that’s what I want.” So, she brought him a big platter that was just filled with fried foods. And I love Scott. So, I teased him about this and he knows it, but um yeah, it was all fried food. We had some burgers and some other things and fries came with that. We ate a couple, but I sent most of mine away. Um we didn’t feel good now. Oh, no. You never feel if you’re eating good foods, this is the one thing that people do notice when they start changing their diets and then you go back to eating some of these foods. People will tell me, and I feel the same way. I’m like, “Oh, I don’t really feel so good.” It’s a toxin that you’re put in your body. Your body then has to detoxify. Yeah. All and your immune system gets activated. So, now one thing I will throw out though, when you’ve had a meal like that, I usually have sauerkraut or brine on hand and I can take a big swig of the brine or a big scoop of sauerkraut and it helps to break it down and get it out of out of Oh, that makes a lot of sense. That’s a really good idea. That is actually good. on Friday night. But yeah, Saturday I get a lot. Um, and just a little side note before we close, I do notice when I eat something like that, which is rare, but when I eat something that isn’t good for me, that is more normal, I get BO the next day. Oh, interesting. Otherwise, I don’t and I don’t need to use deodorant. But when when I put something like that into my body, my body has to detoxify. Thankfully, I’m a very active person. I don’t play tennis like you do. I wish I could. Um I don’t have an interest in tennis, per se, but I walk. I hike. I I kayak when I can, and I swim, but Oh, that’s a lot. That’s good. Well, you know, mostly I walk. And we have a swimming pool, so I swim whenever I can. But my detoxification pathways work pretty well. But within 12 hours, oh yeah, I’m smelling it. Well, that’s really interesting because your body’s basically outgassing all that junk, right? All the junk. Yep. But my normal day-to-day diet, no, I don’t even I never wear deodorant. That would be really I have not asked people that question. I’ll have to see if they feel that changes. But I don’t have people that eat that usually that well. Most people are not doing all the things you do. So Yeah. Yeah. Well, but you know what? A little grandchild was at the table this morning pouring Redmond real salt out and eating it. And another one was eating the butter. Oh, yeah. They love to eat butter. Isn’t it butter? Yeah, I know. And it’s funny. I remember um we had margarine growing up, so it’s unfortunate. I mean, we did. Yeah. I think it was just everybody was brainwashed and it was so much cheaper. Yeah. you know, but you would believe you were led to believe that it was more healthy. Yeah. I don’t know. It’s it’s it’s the government really really overstepped any any authority that they had. And I don’t know if it was totally um out of ignorance. If you want to know the truth, I don’t think it was I don’t think so either. I think it was industry driven, profit driven. Yeah. And they pulled the wool over our eyes on many things. So, we’re pulling it back. Yeah. And we’re seeing enough already enough enough already. We don’t and and and you and I think some healthc care providers are but they’re still going to look at your cholesterol which is unfortunate but that’s another story. We can talk about that some other time but anyway I I think we could talk longer. I hope your state like what are these women doing? Who if you collection in parts or something? I don’t know. But yeah, there is more we could talk about and I’d love to have you come back another time and maybe that’s when we do talk about the fats and the the healthy fats. Yeah. So, yeah. Anyway, I’m so glad your conference went so well and um Thank you. You’re gonna do it next year. So, that’s great. That’s wonderful. Hopefully, you’ll even have more people now that it’s the word’s getting out. Yeah. Sounds like a really supportive time. And then you have the Christian um Yeah. focus, too, which is really nice to have. Yeah, that’s I see that. And one of our speakers talked about the spiritual element of physical wellness and made a very strong connection there. That was that was very helpful and she helped redirect my brain. That’s a big deal. And you know, it’s funny. We we’re going to keep stopping. But I think mental health comes from the security that you know God is in charge. Yeah. In part a lot. A lot of it. and you know that things are bad are going to happen and you accept that and you say, you know, God, I know, you know, you’re going to work things out. Maybe not in this lifetime, but things are going to work out. Yeah. Maybe things don’t always work out the way we we think they should in the moment and then later we can understand, right? But it’s not always going to be the best. We we can’t expect in this, you know, this world that things are always, you know, all the apostles, they suffered. And listen, I’m not wishing that on anybody, but yeah, that always grounds me going, you know what? Put this in perspective. You really need to put this problem in perspective. Amen to that. Yeah. Yep. Well, with that, I think we probably should stop and and thanks everybody for listening, whoever’s hung on this long, but yeah. Yeah. Well, and I I bet our regulars will others maybe will take it in two parts. But Pam, thank you so much. This has been another very good conversation, and I think I have it all recorded this time. So, okay, great. It says recording, so I think so. I think so. So, I’m gonna end it now, but I’ll thank you again and everyone. We’ll put links to um any links that you would like us to share, Pam. Just send to us and we’ll put them up. Yeah, I was just going to share the one on the CDC and the vitamin A, but if I think of something else, um most of the stuff that I’ve talked about is all over the West Price website, just so everybody knows. Yeah, there’s so much there. Yeah. Um, any topic related to health and nutrition and well-being and healing, non-toxic healing modalities and such, it’s there on the foundation’s website and you don’t have to embrace everything that that that the website said. There’s choose the things that you think are important to you. Yeah, definitely. So, all right, with that we will end, but thank you and thank you everyone for listening and we’ll see you next week. Thank you. Bye-bye.
